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“Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here."

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Twas brillig, and the slithey toves

Did gyre and gimble in the waves

All mimsy were the borogroves

And the momeraths outgrabe

User ID: 88

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“Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here."

0 followers follows 0 users joined 2022 August 17 11:39:09 UTC

Twas brillig, and the slithey toves

Did gyre and gimble in the waves

All mimsy were the borogroves

And the momeraths outgrabe

User ID: 88

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